Tom: Hey everybody, you are about to watchan amazing episode of Impact Theory with David Goggins. I love this episode more than I can tell you. I absolutely am blown away by David Gogginshimself, but I want to give a full disclaimer. First of all, this man swears a lot, and whenI say that, you know it’s an issue, so if you have kids around you, now would be thetime to get them out, also his world view is ultra hardcore. I’m not recommending that everybody do whathe does, which is pretty extreme, but I just wanted to give everybody a full warning aheadof time, but I think this man in incredible, but let it be said, you have been warned,and now, welcome to Impact Theory with David Goggins. Hey everybody, welcome to Impact Theory. You are here, my friends, because you believethat human potential is nearly limitless, but you know that having potential is notthat same as actually doing something with it, so our goal with this show, and company,is to introduce you to the people and ideas that will help you actually execute on yourdreams. All right, today’s guest is wildly consideredto be the toughest man on the planet, and one of the greatest endurance athletes ofall time, but if you’re tempted to dismiss him as the product of amazing genetics, greatparenting, or even performance enhancing drugs, think again. He grew up in an abusive household, spenthis high school years as one of only a small number of black kids in a tiny Indiana town,roughly 20 miles from where the KKK was founded, he had to endure relentless bullying, andhe barely managed to graduate with a 1.6 GPA. He struggled with obesity twice in his life,weighing in at over 300 pounds, had severe allergies, sickle cell trait, and a congenitalheart disease that left him with a hole in his heart the size of a poker chip. He grew up feeling soft and weak, with noself esteem, but despite all of that, one day he decided he was going to stop saying,”Woe is me,” and start kicking some ass. That set him on a path to transforming himselfinto the hardest man alive. Did he do it? Well, he’s the only member of the US Armedforces to complete SEAL training, the US Army Ranger’s school, and the Air Force TacticalAir Controller Training. He’s completed the infamous destroyer of men,known as Hell Week, three times, including two in a single year, and one that he startedand finished with multiple stress fractures and a hernia. He served in combat in Iraq, was the bodyguard for the Iraqi Prime Minister, he once held the Guinness World Record for most pull-upsin 24 hours, at 4,030, he’s run eight consecutive 100 mile races, over eight back to back weekends. He ran over 7,000 miles in a single year,and that is the equivalent of running 267 marathons. I think it is abundantly clear that this manis a self-made beast, so please help me in welcoming the man who once ran an ultra-marathonwith pneumonia, the king of no excuses, David Goggins. Thank you so much for coming on. David: Thanks for having me. Tom: My pleasure, I assure you. The things you’ve done are absolutely incredible,but what I find fascinating is, if you just read your litany of things that you’ve accomplished,you do just assume, oh you must be really gifted. You’re shredded, you’re in great shape, butwhen you see the before picture it’s pretty startling. David: Right. Tom: So what was that moment like, lookingin the mirror the day you decide, “Wait, enough is enough.” David: Well it was pretty crazy for me. It took a while to get to that point, whereenough was enough. What happened, I came home one night fromwork, spraying for cockroaches, and long story short I turned on the Discovery Channel, Isaw some guys going through Navy SEAL training, and they’re going through Hell Week, and they’regetting their ass just beat. In and out of the water, guys ringing thebell, they’re suffering, and I was weighing
In and out of the water, guys ringing thebell, they’re suffering, and I was weighing like 297 pounds, and I had to make a changein my life. I was at an all time low, and I wasn’t goinganywhere, and I was exactly what everybody said I was gonna be, which was nothing, soI had to make a change. Tom: What was it about suffering that … That’sreally interesting, and I actually get it, but I want to hear you explain it, why sufferingwas the thing that triggered that thought. David: For me, growing up, I came from a horriblebackground, I got called “nigger” every day of my life growing up, lived in a small town. The Klan Headquarters, at that time, was about20 minutes from where I lived. One of the high-ups in the KKK’s son sat behindme in two classes, so he called me “nigger” all the time. Got my first car, they spray paint “niggerwe’re gonna kill you” on it. So I was just an insecure, scared kid, andthe only way I could find myself was through putting myself through the worst thing possible. Tom: How’d you have the insight though? Like that’s so counterintuitive, like mostpeople, that’s precisely what they’re trying to get away from. David: Right. Tom: So what was it in you, at that moment,you’re overweight, you’ve been bullied essentially your entire life up to that point, what makesyou go, “All right motherfucker,” like, “That’s what I’ve got to do?” David: Well, no one was helping me out, somy Dad made my Mom kind of irregular, so she worked three jobs, went to college full time,so she was never around. One time this person drew a picture of meand said, “We’re gonna kill you nigger,” on my Spanish notebook, and I took it to my principal,and my principal said, “They spelled ‘nigger’ ‘niger’.” That was the best advice they could give me,so long story short, what I realized was no one was here to help me. The feeling I had every morning, I startedshaving my head when I was 16 years old, and the feeling I had every morning, I lookedin the mirror, was horrible, and I didn’t want to feel like that anymore. And how I felt was like a kid going nowhere,a kid that was scared, and most kids will accept that and look for help, but the bestthing that happened to me, no one helped me, no one felt sorry for me, no one looked atme and, like this day and age, they’ll tell everybody, “Stop picking on this person,”back then they didn’t care. The KKK marched in our Fourth of July parades. They had to stay 100 yards back, but theymarched in it. Tom: Wow. David: That’s how this town was, and my Momcared about me, but my Dad took our soul. She did the best she could. I had to figure out, I wasn’t gonna be a punkkid all my life, so the only way I could turn around was to suffer. I had to build calluses in my brain the sameway I built calluses on my hands, so I broke the Guinness World Record for most pull-upsa long time ago, but I failed at it twice, and I did 67,000 pull-ups in trying to breakthis record, so to do 4,030 pull-ups, I had to do 67,000 for training for that. Tom: Wow. David: So what I realized is, for me to becomethe man I wanted to become, I saw myself as the weakest person God ever created, but Inever blamed God for anything he did to me, so I wanted to change that to be the hardestman ever created. Am I that? I don’t know, but you had to have a goal,and my goal, when I was sitting there, not going to school, being bullied, having noself esteem, my goal was, the only person that’s gonna turn this person around is me. The only way I can turn it around is put myselfthrough the worst things possible a human being can ever endure, and that would be theonly way that I can build this brain to handle anything that comes in front of it. Callusing my mind through pain and suffering. Tom: That’s so powerful.
Tom: That’s so powerful. It’s such an amazing insight. Obviously listening to some of the stuff thatyou’re talking about, and one thing that you say often is, it’s hard to stay hard, or gethard when you’re living in, you even said at one point, in a big mansion in BeverlyHills, right? I was sitting there thinking you’re absolutelyright, but what I find so interesting is how we, as a species, run from pain, we run fromsuffering, and one of the reasons I’ve talked about this before, but one of the reasonsmy wife and I don’t have kids is I firmly believe that you need something that is brutal,is difficult, is hardship, it knocks you off center, it makes you feel bad, because inthe process of rebuilding, and clawing back from that, climbing up, then you can becomesomething. But unless you’ve been tested, unless you’vegone thought the ringer, you’ve got no hope, so how do you take somebody that you loveand force them through that? And I think that what you’ve done is maybethe ultimate expression of that, which is how do you put yourself through it? You didn’t have to do any of that. So, in the end, what would your advice beto that 16 year old kid, who’s staring in the mirror, does not like what he sees, butis still running from adversity? David: My biggest advice to him is that, firstof all, he won’t like what I say to him, because I’m gonna say the exact opposite of what theworld, today’s world, is saying. So we read a bunch of books nowadays, as humanswe want to find out how to be someone else. What we don’t do is we don’t go inside, soliterally turn yourself inside out, read the book that’s in …Like we’re writing a book every day of our lives, but we never read that book, so whatI would challenge this young man, or young woman to do is you have to look inside ofyourself to see what you really want. What are you passionate about? We use these words, and these little phrasesof, “Only the strong survive,” and all this other crap. They’re all just fucking words. I get so tired of hearing people just talking. Like right now, someone may think, “Gogginsjust talking,” you don’t know me, so when I speak, I speak from passion, I speak fromexperience, I speak from suffering. I have to tel this young man or woman thatthe only way, I believe, and this is my experience in life, the only way you’re ever going toget to the other side of this journey is you have got to suffer to grow. To grow you must suffer. Some people get it and some people don’t,but they have to see what their journey is to start their journey. Several people live to be 100 years old, theyhave great lives, and they have great kids, their kids go to college, and all sorts ofother stuff, but somewhere in their life there was a point where they had a decision to make,they can go left or right on this path. Left was the easy route, right was the hardroute, a lot of people take the easy route, and they had a good life that way, but thebetter life was going to the right side. And you may have 20 years of pain and sufferingto get past it, but a lot of us die, never truly starting our journey, and I would tellthis young person, “You gotta start your journey. It may suck, but it will come out the otherside [we are coasting 00:11:24].” Tom: I want to go back to what you were sayingabout we write our own book every day, but we actually don’t take the time to read it. As you were saying that here’s what I wasthinking, tell me if this is where you were going, that basically you’re writing downthese things that are becoming your identity, about being weak, about avoiding suffering,about being soft essentially, all the things by default that are in that camp, and as youwere saying that I was imagining you taking that pen and beginning to write your own story,and writing things that you knew, looking back on, that you would be proud of. David: Right. Tom: Like going through the military and doingthe hardest training, some of the ultra-endurance stuff that you’ve done, on broken feet, whichis so crazy, in fact … One, is that what you meant by writing the story? David: What I meant by that is like everyday we’re seeing who we are as people.
first time downloading game may take David: What I meant by that is like everyday we’re seeing who we are as people.
David: What I meant by that is like everyday we’re seeing who we are as people. When I was growing up I lied for people toaccept me, because I didn’t accept myself, so I would make up stories so that you wouldaccept me into your world. Everything that I did was for someone elseto like me. It wasn’t until I started reading my own bookabout how pathetic I was as a human being, I could blame my Dad, I could blame kids atschool, I could blame having health issues, ADD, my Mom not being around, great mom, butshe was doing her thing. I could blame a lot of people, and that’sthe book I was reading, and I put it off on everybody else. It wasn’t until I said, “You know what, forme to fix this, I gotta read what the fuck is wrong with David Goggins,” not blame anybody,read my book, and say, “Okay, I’m afraid of my shadow, how can I overcome that? Go in the military, get your ass kicked, dothings you hate to do, be uncomfortable every fucking day of your life, roger that.” “I’m not the smartest kid in the world, okay.” Instead of somebody saying, “Oh, no, you’resmart. Don’t say that to yourself.” I said to myself, “No, I’m a dumb motherfucker. Okay, roger that. How do you get smarter? Educate yourself.” So the things that we run from, we runningfrom the truth. We’re running from the truth man, so the onlyway I became successful was going toward the truth. As painful, and as brutal as it is, it changedme. It allowed me to become, in my own right,who I am today. Tom: One of the most powerful things I thinkanybody can do … I used to struggle with self esteem, and my thing was I focused onbeing smart and I just wasn’t that smart, I focused on being right and I was wrong alot, and so it created this weird thing in my life where I would constantly try to putmyself around people who were less and less intelligent so that I could feel good aboutmyself, and the bad news is that’s a really good strategy for that. Being around people that were less intelligentthan me really made me feel good. I felt good about myself, but I literallyreferred to myself at the time as the kind of remedial jobs because those were the onlyobs that I could really shine at. David: Right. Tom: And it wasn’t until I realized I canactually change what I build my self esteem around, and I can start building myself around,instead of being right or being smart, I can build myself around being a learner, and beingwilling to admit when I’m wrong, and so the thing that I began to build my self esteemaround was being willing and able to stare at my inadequacies. What you said, I fully understand … Thisinterview is gonna be, you warned me ahead of time, this interview is gonna be bifurcating,people are gonna love it, and some people are gonna hate it, but dude, I so believein the notion of looking at yourself, and if you are pathetic, owning it, and saying… ‘Cause my thing is that you can change it, right? Which you have proven in no uncertain terms. David: That’s it. Tom: But if you don’t admit it, you’re nevergonna be on the path to changing it. David: Exactly. Tom: Walk us through, because this is oneof those crazy stories, I can’t imagine how you pulled this off, your first ultra-marathon,which you got into like really fast, and why you did it, ’cause I think that’s incredible. David: The first ultra-marathon wasn’t smartat all, at all. Basically, what happened was, I was at militaryFree Fall School with Morgan Lutrell. Marcus lutrell, if you guys don’t know, wasthe lone survivor, was the guy, was in a bad OP that went bad, he was the only Navy SEALthat lived, long story short, gotta get the book “Lone Survivor,” great story. Morgan is Marcus Lutrell’s twin brother, andI was there with Marcus.
Morgan is Marcus Lutrell’s twin brother, andI was there with Marcus. What happened was, myself and Morgan werein Free Fall School, at the same exact time, Marcus was in the worst incident in SEAL history,so I knew that Marcus might be dead. He wasn’t dead, everybody else was dead, soI actually told Morgan, “Hey man, your brother was in a bad incident. I don’t know if he’s alive, I don’t know what’sgoing on.” Long story short, Marcus is alive and I goon to want to raise money for families. All these guys died, they all had kids, Iwant to raise money for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. It’s a foundation where 100% tuition goesto these kids to go to college, full tuition, whatever. So I found this great foundation, I’m gonnaraise money for it, so I say, “You know what? I have to Google something that’s evil, somethingvery hard.” I knew nothing about ultra-marathons, I hadn’teven run a marathon. I knew nothing about this world. So I Googled the top ten hardest races inthe world, and what comes up is a Badwater 135. It’s 135 mile race through Death Valley inthe summertime. I thought it was a stage race. I thought it was a race where you run like20 miles, set up camp, barbecue outside, and then go run some more the next day, so I calledthe race director up at the race and said, “Hey Chris,” his name is Chris Kostman, “Iwant to do your race.” So we had a long conversation, I was muchheavier then, and I hadn’t put running shoes on in over a year. Tom: How heavy are you at this point? David: I’m around between 240 to 270. Tom: Whoa. David: I’m in there, I’m in that range. My weight has varied a lot through the SEALteams, and out of the SEAL team, so I was a heavy guy, but the long and short of itall was I hadn’t put running shoes on in over a year. I was a big time power lifter, I lifted weightsheavy, that’s what I did. I got back home from Iraq, went straight toFree Fall School, and then this happened, so I call Chris Kostman up on a Wednesday,he says, “Look man, the only way you can qualify for my race is to run 100 miles at one time,in 24 hours or less.” There happened to be a race that Saturday,so four days later, and he said, “If you qualify, by running 100 miles or less in 24 hours,I will consider you in my race.” I’m gonna cut to the chase, I signed up forthis race, it was called the San Diego 1 Day, where you run around a one mile track for24 hours to see how many miles you can get. My goal was 100 miles. I got to mile 70 and I cleared 70 miles inlike 12, 13 hours, pretty quickly, but I was done. My feet were broken, I was stress fractures,shin splints, muscles were tearing, I was in bad shape. I was eating Ritz crackers and drinking Myoplex,that’s all I had, no water, didn’t know what the hell I was doing out there, had on sometube socks, it was just ridiculous, it was a clown show. I sat down at mile 70, and at this time Iwas married, and I look at my wife, and I was like, “I’m messed up bad.” I literally start to turn white, and whena black guy turns white you’re pretty fucked up. So here I am, I’m all fucked up in this chair,I’m at mile 70, they got 30 fucking miles to go, I’m jacked up, I gotta go to the bathroom,and the bathroom’s like 20 feet from me, it’s a port-a-potty, I can’t get out of the fuckingchair, so I’m peeing blood down my leg, pooping up my fucking back, and I got 30 miles togo, and I can’t stand up ’cause my blood pressure’s all messed up, I had been in three Hell Weeks,Ranger School, overcome so many obstacles in my life, this last 30 miles of this raceis when I realized a human being is not so human anymore. We have the ability to go in such a space,if you’re willing to suffer, and I mean suffer, your brain and your body, once connected together,can do anything, and this 30 miles was the life changing moment. I was out of it, I was in the worst pain inmy entire life, I was, to me, on the brink of death, and I was able to chunk this 30damn miles into small pieces. I was so driven, I’m not gonna say motivated’cause motivation’s crap, motivation comes and goes, when you’re driven, whatever’s infront of you will get destroyed. So I sat in this chair, and I was so drivento succeed in this race, and at this time, everybody goes, “Were you thinking about theguys that died,” and I’m not gonna lie to you, I wasn’t. This became a personal thing. This became me against this race, me againstthe kids that called me nigger, me against me. It just became something that I took so violentlypersonal, and I broke this thing down into small pieces, I said, “Okay, I gotta get nutrition,I gotta be able to stand up before I can get off this curb and get off this chair and beable to go 30 miles.” So I went through all these small steps andI was able to stand up, and then from standing up I was literally walking around with mywife at the time, and she goes, “You’re not gonna make the time.” She goes, “I mean you’re walking like 30 someminute miles.” I got to my 81, and the second she said thatI’m not gonna make the time, I ran the last 19 miles, nonstop, and I could show you rightnow, when we get done with this, matter of fact, I’m want to show you right now, thiswas years ago, and I had to put compression tape on my ankle. Tom: Whoa. David: So this was years ago. I had literally the size of half dollars,I had to get compression tape, and I taped up my ankles, and I taped up my feet, andthat’s how I got through that race. Tom: Was it like a hematoma, I mean what washappening? David: What had happened was, my shins hurtso bad from having stress fractures, that the only way I could continue on was I tapedit so I wasn’t doing the flexor motion that activates your shins, so I taped my ankles,and my shins up, and I got that because of my third Hell Week, they weren’t gonna letme go back through training anymore, so I literally went through all the BUDs, my lastSEAL training, with stress fractures and shin splints, and how I did it was I would tapemy ankles all the way up to my calf every morning, so for the first hour the pain wasexcruciating, but what happened is my feet would go numb. I did that every single day for six months. Tom: Whoa! David: And that’s how I got through my thirdHell Week, ’cause I was so broken from the first two that the commander said, “Hey, theCO said this is your last time we’re sending you through,” so that’s how I got the ideato do that, and people may listen to this and say, “This guy is sadistic, he’s crazy.” No, if you know how I came up, you realizeI was just a scared kid that found drive and passion to be something much better than whathe thought he was. That’s all it is. Tom: God, I’m gonna ask the question, I don’tknow if you have a good answer for this, I don’t know if there is a good answer for this,but even I want to know, how do you find and cultivate that drive? Like there is a kid right now watching thisman, and they feel like you felt, they feel lost, alone, broken, stupid, lazy, like they’renever going to amount to anything, and what you’re talking about is the closest thingto a fucking superpower that this kid has ever heard, and right now he is on the edgeof his seat. How does he like force himself to take thatfirst step? David: I’m very fortunate that I grew up ina time when there was no phones, and there was no social media, and I suggest, yes I’mon social media on a very limited basis, because I have a story to tell, and it’s a great platform,use it as a platform, don’t use it as your life. My biggest advice to get everybody in theworld is, like I say, we live in an external world, everything is, you gotta see it, touchit, it’s external, if you can, for the rest of your life, live inside of yourself, stoplistening to people who are calling you fat, gay, transsexual, nigger, everything thatis makes no sense, all these insecure people putting their insecurities on you, you gottaflush it out. You gotta just be whoever the hell God, orwhoever the hell you believe in, if you believe in nothing but yourself, I don’t care whatit is, you gotta take everything and throw it away. You have to believe in one thing, and thatis yourself. I’m not saying don’t believe in God, or whatyou believe in, but right now, for you to find greatness in yourself, you’re not gonnafind it by looking in a book, or by even hearing me. I may give you the spark, but you’ve got togo inside yourself to find it, and that means you gotta be quiet. Shut the fuck up, go in a room, stop talking,search your soul, search your mind, search your abilities and you’ll find it. But if you’re not looking for it you won’tfind it, so you gotta go start your journey, and the journey starts with you finding whythe hell am I here on this planet Earth? Why am I here? If you don’t know that you will live the restof your life searching, always asking the question “why.” Tom: On that last 19 miles? David: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Tom: Feet are broken, ankles are taped, shinsplints, stress fractures, what are the words that are going through your mind? Are you in the cookie jar? David: I’m deep in the cookie jar, and thecookie jar is something that I’ve made up of all the failures of my life, all the thingsthat I failed and I went back, I failed and I went back, and I finally succeeded, allthe things that kicked my ass, I put them all in the cookie jar, ’cause at times ofhell, even the hardest men, in times of suffering what we do is we forget how hard we reallyare, ’cause that’s what suffering is, suffering’s a test, that’s all it is. Suffering is the true test of life, and sothat cookie jar travels in my brain, so whenever I get put in a situation where I have poopypants, the woe is me mentality of, “Oh my God, life sucks,” I take the one second decision,I step out of my life for one second, go in the cookie jar, pull up, “Oh, motherfuckeryou were in three Hell Weeks and finished two. One of those Hell Weeks a guy died becauseit was so bad. Oh, you are a motherfucking badass. You are!” I put it back in the cookie jar and I rememberwho the fuck I really am. I’m not the kid that was called nigger, I’mto the scared kid, this is who I am. It’s a reminder of who your truly are at thecore of yourself. But what I was saying to myself the wholetime on that track, and this is what I say to myself, self talk and visualization aretwo keys to my success, I believed, for that last 19 miles, I was indestructible, ’causeI took my self in that chair, crapping up my back, peeing blood down my leg, shin splints,stress fractures, I used all that for motivation versus negativity, I used it for motivation. I said to myself, “Who on this fucking Earthwould still be going right now? You are. You are. You gotta be the hardest motherfucker on theplanet.” Is it true? I don’t give a fuck. At that time it got me to the finish lineof that fucking race. I believed it. I believe it today. I believed it enough to where my body said,”He’s not gonna stop.” I took all the negative things, “I need togo to the hospital, this, and that,” and I used it. “Who the hell could even get out of that chair? You did. Who the hell would even think about tapingstress fractures up? You did.” All those things I used for motivation. Tom: I’m gonna use them for motivation. I mean that’s so fucking powerful. Talk to me about the dark side. It’s something that I’m sure you take a lotof heat for, it’s something that I think a lot about, I believe people should intentionallybe motivated by beauty and rage, and so many people are afraid of the negative. What power have you found in the darkness? David: First off, before I answer that questionI want to say everybody listening to this, I’m the happiest man on the planet, so peoplemay take this as so many people do, we live in a very weakened society, so when they heara throw back guy like me, from back in the ancient days of Granimals, they often think,”This guy is just whatever,” so if you think that I’m some unhappy guy, you’re wrong. Having lived the life I’ve lived, and seeingthe other side, not being afraid to attack what was in front of me has made me happy. Tom: Say that again. In fact, let me make sure I understood it. Getting to the point where you’re not afraidto face the thing on the other side of the door that wants to attack you has made youhappy. David: Right. Tom: That’s really powerful, I hope peopleheard that. David: Right. It made me very happy. So basically, I just don’t walk around witha doggone smile on my face all the damn time, so Merry Christmas. But basically, what the dark side is, is weall have a cookie jar, and we all have a jar of fuck. Tom: That’s it’s official name. David: It’s a jar of fuck man, where shitjust ain’t going right. In Hell Week, what they do in Hell Week, okay,this is where I really went to the dark side. What they do in Hell Week is they design HellWeek to find your flaws, and they do a really good job of that. It’s 130 hours of continuous training, youmay get two hours of sleep, and they beat the shit out of you, and find everything wrongwith your mentality, and then they start Hell Week, and that’s the beauty of it. For me, I’m not some [naturally 00:30:24]God given guy, I don’t have a great bit of talent in anything, so what got me throughhorrible times was the dark side. My name is David Goggins, I created Goggins,Goggins is the guy that can take anything that you put in front of him. You want to break my motherfucking legs sobe it. I have a way of going to a place, like I didin that race, where all the pain and suffering that they put on top of me in Hell Week, Iwill reverse that pain and suffering and I will take your soul. So ever instructor that put me through BUDs,my job, what drove me was I wanted you to go home that night, after you beat the livingshit out of me, and I smiled in your face, and I wanted you to feel worse than I did,and you were going home to a nice, warm bed, with your wife, or your kids, and a nice meal,and I was still out there in the grip, suffering for another 100 hours. I wanted you to think about me, knowing thatI’m comfortable being very un-fucking-comfortable. And I want you to think about when you wentthrough fucking Hell Week, how uncomfortable you were, and how bad you wanted to quit,knowing I’m not thinking that fucking way. So the dark side is something that I designed,it’s an evil place I can go that very few things can hurt me. I use the hurt you’re trying to put on me,I flip it upside down, and use it, you trying to use it for kryptonite, no, it’s power pillagefor me, I’m using it for strength. I just flip negative into positive, that’sall it is. Tom: I heard you doing an interview one time,and the person was trying to see the sort of empowerment, or the beauty in that, andyou were like, “No, no, no, it’s darkness.” I’m like utterly fascinated with comic books,and one of the reasons that I’m so intrigued by Batman is he literally uses the darkness,the sickness that he has over what happened to him and his family to propel him forwardfor decades to keep driving, and most people are broken by the bad things that happen tothem, but every now and then there’s a Goggins, there’s somebody who knows how to use thatpower to … Understands how, as a human being, it fuckingdrives you. Revenge is powerful, like to be able to tapinto that, in a way that’s controlled. David: That’s right. Tom: But to be able to bring it in, to useit, to feel the energy, there is an intoxication to rage, and I don’t think people are honestabout it when they talk about it. There’s a fucking intoxication to that, andif you can tap into it, and leverage it, not get lost to it, which is why I know you alwayscaveat it saying, “Look, I’m a fucking happy guy, like that’s not what we’re talking aboutright now, but I’m a happy guy,” so you can’t get overtaken by it, but it’s there, and itis so fucking powerful. David: It’s real. That’s why when you said, before this wholethings started, you said I can be me. The second you said I could cuss and be me,and cussing, people say, “You cuss all the fucking time, why?” Well, I hate to say it, the best way for meto get how I feel across. I can’t sit here and say, “You know, yeah,I went through Hell Week and it was really hard.” No. That motherfucker takes your damn soul, ripsit inside out, and then they say, now we’re going to fucking start. It allows me to express where I was at, ata point in my life. If I don’t give you all of me, why the hellam I here? Why? How will you learn from me, people take somuch offense to me, you will never learn from people if we always tap dance around the truth. Tom: Oh God, I love that. David: We tap dance around the truth by findingthe right words so I don’t hurt you ’cause you have thin skin. No. Tighten up people, it’s okay, trust me, it’sokay. You might be called nigger one day, it’s okay. You might be called some Jewish word, or somefaggot or gay word, it’s okay, let them call you that. What are you gonna do now? They don’t own your life. How are you gonna control that now? How are you gonna flip it upside down andsay, “Roger that. Now I’m gonna harness this shit, and you’llread about me years from now.” How? That’s the question, how are you gonna dothat? Thicken your skin, become more of a humanbeing, don’t be afraid of the reflection in the mirror, ’cause that’s all you can be afraidof, once you overcome that reflection in the mirror, you’ve done it. Tom: I love that man. You once said that if you were growing upin this generation, that you would have a field day, because you would take their souls. What did you mean by that? David: The younger generation quits, not everybody,people get their butt hurt, so not everybody, most of this generation quits the second theyget talked to. “You did this wrong, or you did this wrong,”or they get yelled at. It’s so easy to be great nowadays, ’causeeverybody else, most people are weak. This is a softened generation, so if you haveany mental toughness, any ability, if you have any fraction of self discipline, theability to not want to do it but still do it. People have a hard thing to understand. I hate to run, and what makes me so crazy,it doesn’t anymore, people go, “Well why do you run if you hate it?” What are you talking about? I don’t want to take showers and eat either,I hate that too, that’s life man, and it wasn’t until I changed that mentality that I becamesomebody. I hated going to school, so guess what, Iwas dumb as shit. One plus one is two. But if you can get through to doing thingsthat you hate to do, on the other side is greatness. That’s what people don’t understand. By me running, I’m callusing my mind. I’m not training for a race, I’m trainingfor life. I’m training for that time when I get thattwo ‘o clock in the morning cal that my Mom is dead, or something happens tragic in life,I don’t fall apart. I’m training my mind, and my body, and myspirit so it’s all one, so I can handle what life is gonna throw at me, because the lifeI’ve lived, it throws a whole bunch at you, and if you’re not physically and mentallyprepared for that you’re just gonna crumble, and you’re good for nobody. Tom: Talk to me about what it takes to beon one side of a door in Iraq, or anywhere, knowing that people who are not afraid ofyou, they’re ready for you to come in, and they have guns, and you still have to breechthat door? David: That’s a great question. That’s a very scary situation. When you are on one side of the door, andyour mind is racing, because on the other side of that door it could be no one, it couldbe four guys with four AK-47s, that door your about to open could be booby-trapped, so onceyou open it, boom, your legs are gone, so there’s a thousand things you think aboutwhen you’re the first guy, second guy, third guy getting ready to go in a room and floodit, and that’s why I talk about the warrior mentality, and that’s why so many people arelost when I start talking. You have the right, you’re lucky that youdon’t have to think like warriors think. You’re very privileged. I chose this world, to be a warrior, and Iwould choose it again if I came back to this world, but the mentality of a warrior is verydifferent than a normal mentality. You must be that person on that door, gettingready to open it, thinking to yourself, “If I die, so be it.” The only way you can go in that door is knowingthere’s a great chance you’re gonna die. Like being a SEAL, you train with live ammo,you jump out of airplanes, everything you do you could die, so to be a warrior, whypeople don’t understand me, I’m glad you don’t understand me, Merry Christmas, good on you,because being a warrior takes a whole different mindset. A whole different mindset to know that there’sa great chance I may not be … Like I was in for 21 years. I’m lucky. I’m very lucky that I’m alive, able to talkto you, able to still run, but when you sign up on that dotted line to be like a SEAL,your mentality changes. I may not live. You gotta accept that. And that’s the mentality we have. And that’s what makes you a warrior. If you’re scared to die you’re a bad warrior. Tom: What do you use to push through? Is that a Goggins moment, is that a findingthe darkness, I’m going through hell, I’ll find the devil if I have to, like what isthat moment? What are you pulling up inside? David: I’m pulling up a lot of the dark sideof me, but I’m also looking at the guys to my left and to my right realizing that we’rehere together man, and I have to be strong for them, and they gotta be strong for me. A lot of people, either you like me or youdon’t, even in the SEAL teams, but when you get to that door, or you get on that mission,or you get in that OP, all that shit’s out the door man. You do it honesty, you see it all the timein these movies and shit, you really out there fighting for that guy beside you, and youcan’t be a coward, ’cause you know what, and this is how I look at everything I do nowin life, and this sums it up, I hated jumping out of airplanes, I hated shooting guns, Ihated the job as a Navy SEAL, but I did it because I wanted to change myself. Everything I do I’m not really comfortabledoing, but if you chose to go that route, to go be a Navy SEAL, you may as well go bethe hardest motherfucker in the world, ’cause if you’re choosing to do something … Youhave two routes, you can be a little, weak person, and get through barely, and that’syour reputation, or you can go through the hardest guy you can possibly be and that’syour reputation, so my whole thing is if you’re gonna choose to open that fucking door inIraq or Afghanistan, open the motherfucker and go in hard, because they’re gonna rememberyou by slowly opening it and peeking in. If you’re gonna open it, and you made themind to open it, don’t crack it open, open the fucking door and go in, that’s with life. If you’re choosing to do something, attackit, because they’re gonna remember you as not attacking it. I want to be remembered, you can hate me,but there’s one thing you can’t say about me, I didn’t attack it, so that’s the mentalityto have. If you’re gonna do something you might aswell attack it, ’cause you’re gonna do it anyway. Tom: Right. Do you use that in civilian life, like doyou still employ the “I’m gonna attack it. I’m gonna take their souls,” Like how doesthat play out in a non-combat zone? David: It still works for me in life, as faras attacking things, because no matter what avenue I choose, I want to be the very best. And the very best might not be, “I’m numberone,” the very best is, “Did I leave everything inside of me out there?” So attacking is not like, “Oh, I want to winthis, or win that, or be the best,” the best is, “I’m running against myself in everythingI do, and that’s why I attack. I attack myself. I’m always questioning myself. I’m always holding myself accountable. Tom: Talk to me about the accountability mirror. David: So that accountability mirror is somethingthat I kinda came up with in high school. Like said, I started shaving my head whenI was 16, and I got caught up in trying to impress so many people, because no one likedme, so I developed so many different identities. Let me sag my pants. Okay, let me pull my pants up. Let me talk this way, or act this way, orbe this way, or whatever the hell it may be. God, there were so many different things Idid to try to fit in with so many different groups that, when you look in the mirror,that’s the one person you can’t lie to. So every morning I would shave my head thankingGod, I would reflect back on some of the lies I may have told somebody, or some of the waysI acted that I didn’t feel comfortable doing, and I did it to impress other, normal people. The keyword there is normal, everyday people. I was trying to make other people like me. How pathetic is that? So this mirror would always tell me, I’d lookat my reflection and say, “God, you are a pathetic man.” How’s that feel every day to be this way? So I would just start holding myself accountable. “How did I attack today? How did I attack yesterday?” And if I didn’t do something I was proud ofI write down on a sticky note, and I would fix it, so then, my senior year in high school,it was a totally different David Goggins. Tom: Can you give an example with somethingthat you wrote down and fixed? David: All right, there was a lunch table,I wanted to sit at the cool guy lunch table, you know, everybody was always calling menigger all the time, I wanted to try to act like somebody I wasn’t so I could fit in,and I sold my soul to the devil trying to act like … No, I’m David fucking Goggins,that’s who I am, and so I wrote down on a piece of paper, “Fuck the table, sit by yourfucking self.” And that’s what I did, and guess what happened? My table became a table people started sittingat, ’cause a whole bunch of people in that lunchroom felt exactly like I did. I had a laundry list of things that I justwould write down and then fix, so I’d write it down and fix it. Tom: Were there things that you look to forrole models, people that you were like taking ideas form, like why pull your pants up, ifthat’s the popular style. Either you are the single most insightfulperson I’ve ever met, which by the way is entirely possible having listened to enoughof your material, or like you had a treasure trove of people that gave you great ideas. Even if they were like fictional, or movie,or athletes, or whatever, but … David: It was funny, one movie I watched allthe time was Rocky. Tom: Great choice. David: Rocky I, and I related to Rocky a lot,because, you know, one of the smart guys, tried real hard, and the one scene that Irelated a lot of my life to, still to this day, was Rocky I, round 14, and this is whereI got taking souls from. If you look at round 14 of Rocky I, Apollois beating the shit out of Rocky, Rocky falls down in his corner, Mickey’s saying, “Staydown, stay down,” Rocky didn’t hear a fucking soul. Apollo, after he knocked him down, turns around,hands in the air, like, “I finally knocked down this animal.” Tom: Right. David: Apollo doesn’t know it, but Rocky’sgetting up. Apollo turns around the second Rocky getsup, and Apollo looks at Rocky, Apollo looks at him with a look of like Rocky just tookhis soul. Apollo shakes his head, and Rocky has hisgloves, and he motions towards Apollo, “Come on motherfucker, I’m still here,” and thissong comes on, that I played … So when I broke the Guinness Book of World Records,it took me 17 hours to do 4,030 pull-ups. I listened to one song for 17 hours. Two minutes and 17 seconds. (sings). I listened to that song for 17 hours non-stop,on repeat, so the image in my mind of a man was not one that had earrings, sagging pants,I had this image in my head and I was going to fulfill that, and I didn’t do any trends,I stopped trending, I stopped being this guy, whoever was new, fuck it, that’s not whatI believe in, I’m doing this, this is what I want to be, this is what I’m gonna be. Tom: It’s incredible. How do you experience beauty and joy in yourlife? What situations do you put yourself in? What makes you laugh? What’s the fun stuff for you? David: It’s funny you say that. I just retired from the military Novemberof 2015, and I was going, and going, and going, and going, and I never really … I was ahappy guy, but I’m never in the moment of like sitting back and I want to travel hereto have fun, or do this, or do that, I’ve never been that person, but the first timeI really got a chance to experience true happiness, and true peace was, I was … Like so whatI did to myself to become who I am today, it takes a great toll of your body, so I believeGod gave me time to rest, and he took me out of commission. Not even the mind of Goggins could get meback up, so I had about a good six, seven months that I was out, and when I was outI had time to reflect on all I’d accomplished, and that was the first time in my life whereI sat back and said, “Wow.” ‘Cause only I, I may be telling you some ofthe story, I know the exact truth of how brutal my life was, and how I shouldn’t be on thisshow today, and how the mind, and how beautiful it is. So what brings me joy and happiness is knowinghow beautiful the mind is, and I’m one of the few people that didn’t read about it,didn’t experience it through some drug, I got to experience the beauty of true, fuckingwillpower. True, fuck you, I’m gonna fail, I’m gonnafucking fail, I’m gonna fucking fail, I’m gonna fucking fail, and I will succeed. Just me talking about that gives me a feeling,I know what I did, and I don’t need to travel somewhere, or to have this, have that, I haveit all here in my mind. The beauty is remembering this young, dumb,what people called nigger, is now where I’m at today, and that is, when you finally getto that point, for me, it’s forever lasting peace. I could die right now on this show and I’mgonna be a happy man. That’s my happiness is my reflection on thesuffering of my journey, knowing I never quit, or was I guided by anybody on this Earth,I was guided by something more powerful, and I listened, and I chose the path of most resistance. Talent not required. Tom: I love that. You said you live the life of a monk. David: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Tom: What does that mean? What does that look like? Why do you do that? David: So I stretch out every day for at easttwo hours, I don’t drink, I don’t go out, my regimen is I wake up, have oatmeal, run,come back, hit the weights, I’m a big sports guy, I don’t leave the house at all, but todo stuff like this, and I stretch out at nighttime. I find people that I trust, which is a verysmall group of people, people who are honest and true to me, people who would die for me,and I would die for them, which is a fucking small, and everybody else man, you know, doyou, and I stay to myself, and I let you do you, I don’t judge people, I criticize you,you want to be a douche bag and be an ass and not love this country, whatever you’regonna do, I don’t care man. I fought for this country for you to do you,and I am all about you doing you ’cause I want to fucking do me, and I’m gonna do metil I’m fucking dead, and I believe I earned the right. A lot of people haven’t earned the right,just ’cause you live in this country doesn’t mean you earned the right, you gotta livea little bit, live, and then have something to say, or shut the fuck up. Tom: So if you had, this may be impossibleto answer, but if you had that same kid form earlier, and he wants to take that first step,you want him to go experience some life, what one specific thing would you tell him to godo? David: I would first ask the kid, “Who areyou, at the core of your soul?” And if he can’t answer that question our conversation’sover, ’cause I can’t say shit to him. If you don’t know who you are, if you don’tknow who you are I can’t tell you who you are. Tom: What’s the next phase of your life looklike? You can’t imagine how intrigued I am to watchyou over the next five to ten years. David: Well, honestly, I’m blessed enoughto have survived the life I lived, and to come out the other side with a bunch of knowledge,so hopefully I can help people that believe that they’re much less than they truly are,help them find greatness in themselves, and greatness isn’t running 200 miles at a time,or doing 4,000 push-ups, or being a SEAL. Greatness is whatever the hell you dreamedof in your own mind. You gotta first see it, you gotta first createthis vision in your mind, and then that’s when I come in to play. Once you create this vision in your mind,it’s how am I gonna get there now? And that’s when I come in to play, but firstyou gotta create your own vision, and it’s not external, the vision created is insideof you, so until you create that I’m nobody to you. Tom: Are you writing a book? David: I’m slowly writing a book right now,it’s taken me four or five years ’cause I have so many things to talk about, it’s gonnabe probably several books, but the first book will be probably about my life story, howI came up and a few lessons learned along the way, but I have so much to talk about,and so much to say just to give people a lot more than hope. Tom: All right, before my last question, wherecan these guys find you online? David: Davidgoggins.com, Instagram is DavidGoggins, Facebook’s David Goggins, @DavidGoggins, you’ll find me, go on there, look for DavidGoggins, Google me. Tom: They will find you. There is so much amazing stuff on you. All right, so, last question, what is theimpact that you want to have on the world? David: The impact I want to have on the worldis … That’s a great question man, and it’s a question I’ve been asked a million times,and I have several answers for it, but the biggest one is we are all great. No matter if you think you’re dumb, if youthink you’re fat, no matter if you are fat, no matter if you’ve been bullied, or no matterif you just got back from Iraq or Afghanistan, and you have no legs, or your arms, or whatever,we all have greatness. You gotta find the courage to put your Boseheadphones on and silence the noise out of this world and to find it ’cause it’s outthere, but it’s gonna take hard work, courage, self discipline, it’s gonna take all the non-cognitiveskills, all the non-cognitive skills to be great. Smart is good, all this stuff is good, that’sall cognitive. It’s the non-cognitive skills that set youapart from everybody else, and that’s what it’s all about. Tom: David, thank you so much for coming onthe show man, that was incredible. Guys, this is one of those times where, asI was researching him I literally felt like I should be doing this is a bucket of icewater or something, and I’m actually only mean that sort of tongue in cheek, I fastedthrough most of my prep because it felt right to put myself in a more difficult situationwhile I was doing that, it really makes me want to find more ways to go through hardship,and that’s one of the things I really hope you guys take away from him is how you cantotally create yourself, and I experienced him in reverse. I saw all of the amazing things that he haddone, all of the races that he had won, going through Hell Week three times, the succeedingin three different branches of the military, nobody every doing that before, the pull-uprecord, all of it, and then found out that he had struggled through everything, and yourealize how insidiously, and how quietly the idea that somebody is just better than you,they’re more genetically gifted than you slips into your mind, as a way of letting you offthe hook. Not as a way of making them more extraordinary,but you make them extraordinary as a way of letting you off the hook, and so hearing allthe things that he had to go through, and one thing that didn’t even come up in theshow, he did most of the amazing endurance stuff before he had his heart fixed, so hisheart was literally existing at 60% capacity, he still did all of that. This is a man who peed blood and got up andkept running for 30 more miles. If that kind of thing doesn’t inspire youto look inward, and to really take control of your own story, to realize that you cansculpt yourself into anything you want, it doesn’t have to be Goggins, but to see inthat the power of both beauty and rage, to see in that the malleability of the humanspirit, to see in that the power of the human spirit to turn you into anyone that you wantto become, that is this man’s story, and I hope that you guys heard it, there were somany incredible things, so many times that I got the chills, so many times that I sawanother tool that I could take and use in my own life, and I hope you guys got thatmuch out of it as I did. If you haven’t already be sure to subscribe,and until next time my friends, be legendary. Take care. Hey everybody, thanks so much for joiningus for another episode of Impact Theory. 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